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February 09, 2005
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SON OF A ! ! !
we left church at the same time, you live twice as far from church as me, we just got home, and you already have a picture posted ? ? ?
you got some ‘splainin’ to do.
we left church at the same time, you live twice as far from church as me, we just got home, and you already have a picture posted ? ? ?
you got some ‘splainin’ to do.
doug () (URL) - February 09, 2005 at 8:55 pm
It’s all in the mind, Doug… All in the mind… Or maybe it’s those crosses on our foreheads…
timsamoff () (URL) - February 10, 2005 at 07:56 am
uh…. what in the… nevermind. i’m not even gonna say anything.
Dennisthemenace () - February 10, 2005 at 2:26 pm
okay, i guess i couldn’t keep my mouth shut very long. you guys, just consider what Martin Luther had to say about this. and remember, this guy actually intended to preserve the catholic church, not rebel. but it worked out better for all of us. this is not one of my usual rants. please consider: Here are Luther’s first three propositions:
1.. The law of God, the most salutary doctrine of life, cannot
advance man
on his way to righteousness, but rather hinders him. [1]
2.. Much less can human works which are done over and over again with
the
aid of natural precepts, so to speak, lead to that end. [2]
3.. Although the works of man always appear attractive and good, they
are
nevertheless likely to be mortal sins. [3]
This last one is so heavy and hard to digest.
You can read the rest at: http://www.catchpenny.org/heidel.html
i am definitely not wrong for being concerned
The central issue of Christianity has always been free will. Can we do good works or not? Paul and Augustine and Luther and Calvin said we can do NO
good works through our own free will. We only have the passive capacity for good – in other words, it is only God doing His good works through us.
These are always tainted by our sin nature.
What is the purpose of “celebrating” Lent? Traditionally, I think, it has been a time of purification to prepare for Christ’s death. When you
think about it, it’s actually perverse. As if we could purify ourselves so that Christ has to die a little less.
Of course, that doesn’t mean we can celebrate our sin either. I can’t quote it verbatum, but Paul said should sin abound so that grace can even more
abound? Of course not. What we properly celebrate is God’s grace. Is amazing and utterly undeserved goodness toward us in saving us even though there is no good thing in us.
why mimic catholic monasticism? What is it you’re hoping to gain?
just my thoughts. well, mine and some other prominent church figures’....
1.. The law of God, the most salutary doctrine of life, cannot
advance man
on his way to righteousness, but rather hinders him. [1]
2.. Much less can human works which are done over and over again with
the
aid of natural precepts, so to speak, lead to that end. [2]
3.. Although the works of man always appear attractive and good, they
are
nevertheless likely to be mortal sins. [3]
This last one is so heavy and hard to digest.
You can read the rest at: http://www.catchpenny.org/heidel.html
i am definitely not wrong for being concerned
The central issue of Christianity has always been free will. Can we do good works or not? Paul and Augustine and Luther and Calvin said we can do NO
good works through our own free will. We only have the passive capacity for good – in other words, it is only God doing His good works through us.
These are always tainted by our sin nature.
What is the purpose of “celebrating” Lent? Traditionally, I think, it has been a time of purification to prepare for Christ’s death. When you
think about it, it’s actually perverse. As if we could purify ourselves so that Christ has to die a little less.
Of course, that doesn’t mean we can celebrate our sin either. I can’t quote it verbatum, but Paul said should sin abound so that grace can even more
abound? Of course not. What we properly celebrate is God’s grace. Is amazing and utterly undeserved goodness toward us in saving us even though there is no good thing in us.
why mimic catholic monasticism? What is it you’re hoping to gain?
just my thoughts. well, mine and some other prominent church figures’....
Dennisthemenace () - February 10, 2005 at 3:27 pm
Ummm… To tell you the truth, Dennis, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. What is all of this about good works, etc?... What does this have to do with Ash Wednesday and Lent? (Which are ancient disciplines, not forms of monasticism.)
Is it mimicking the Catholic monasticism by practicing ancient disciplines? I don’t think so. Discipline, some say, has been sadly lost due to cultural shifts and pluralistic influence.
Lent (n): The 40 weekdays from Ash Wednesday to Easter observed by the Roman Catholic, Eastern, and some Protestant churches as a period of penitence and fasting.
Penitent (adj): Feeling or expressing humble or regretful pain or sorrow for sins or offenses.
Ash Wednesday: In the Bible a mark on the forehead is a symbol of a person’s ownership. By having their foreheads marked with the sign of a cross, this symbolizes that the person belongs to Jesus Christ, who died on a Cross.
What are you so offended by? Will any practice take away our salvation? No. Can practicing discipline connect us more closely with God? Maybe. Communion, baptism, praying: all protestant-accepted disciplines…
It’s fine to think the way you do, but I really don’t get where you’re coming from. Especially from this picture.
Is it mimicking the Catholic monasticism by practicing ancient disciplines? I don’t think so. Discipline, some say, has been sadly lost due to cultural shifts and pluralistic influence.
Lent (n): The 40 weekdays from Ash Wednesday to Easter observed by the Roman Catholic, Eastern, and some Protestant churches as a period of penitence and fasting.
Penitent (adj): Feeling or expressing humble or regretful pain or sorrow for sins or offenses.
Ash Wednesday: In the Bible a mark on the forehead is a symbol of a person’s ownership. By having their foreheads marked with the sign of a cross, this symbolizes that the person belongs to Jesus Christ, who died on a Cross.
What are you so offended by? Will any practice take away our salvation? No. Can practicing discipline connect us more closely with God? Maybe. Communion, baptism, praying: all protestant-accepted disciplines…
It’s fine to think the way you do, but I really don’t get where you’re coming from. Especially from this picture.
timsamoff () (URL) - February 10, 2005 at 3:47 pm
it was intended for the previous post, yes. and primary response to the link to jacob’s well.
Dennisthemenace () - February 10, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Tim, well said.
Dennis, some of your comments, particularly these in regards to Lent, make me cringe. They seem very legalistic and judgmental in nature. Who is to say how God will lead and teach each of us, especially in times we set aside to focus on aspects of his sacrifice and character? The Bible is full of examples of celebrations and traditions that God used to remind His people of their place in the story of His grace (for example Passover in the Old Testament and communion, which is a part of the Passover ritual, and which Tim mentioned, in the New Testament). I’m excited about participating in the Jacob’s Well Lenten season. I see it as a time to focus on the sacrifice Jesus made for us, a time set apart for deeper reflection and introspection, to examine our hearts (and in turn what stems from the condition of our hearts in our day to day practices) and see how God might change and illumine them. For me, the traditions we practice provide a space for me to connect not only with God, but with my church community and with the saints from previous generations who have participated in these same traditions we participate in today (how cool is THAT?). We are joining together to honor God with our lives. I am not required to participate in these practices, but they have been made available to me, and I find them meaningful and beneficial to my spiritual life. If you do not find them meaningful and beneficial to your spiritual life, by all means, do not practice them; no one is saying you must. I am simply requesting that you refrain from judging those of us that choose to honor and experience God during this season in this way.
Dennis, some of your comments, particularly these in regards to Lent, make me cringe. They seem very legalistic and judgmental in nature. Who is to say how God will lead and teach each of us, especially in times we set aside to focus on aspects of his sacrifice and character? The Bible is full of examples of celebrations and traditions that God used to remind His people of their place in the story of His grace (for example Passover in the Old Testament and communion, which is a part of the Passover ritual, and which Tim mentioned, in the New Testament). I’m excited about participating in the Jacob’s Well Lenten season. I see it as a time to focus on the sacrifice Jesus made for us, a time set apart for deeper reflection and introspection, to examine our hearts (and in turn what stems from the condition of our hearts in our day to day practices) and see how God might change and illumine them. For me, the traditions we practice provide a space for me to connect not only with God, but with my church community and with the saints from previous generations who have participated in these same traditions we participate in today (how cool is THAT?). We are joining together to honor God with our lives. I am not required to participate in these practices, but they have been made available to me, and I find them meaningful and beneficial to my spiritual life. If you do not find them meaningful and beneficial to your spiritual life, by all means, do not practice them; no one is saying you must. I am simply requesting that you refrain from judging those of us that choose to honor and experience God during this season in this way.
Mary () (URL) - February 11, 2005 at 10:24 am
