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July 07, 2006

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Another plea for iTunes (and iPods)...

A while back, I posted a “plea” for an iTunes feature. Well, that feature has still not been implemented in any form or fashion, but ‘s suggestion (using the .m4b format instead of the .m4a format), in the comments, is a close second. (Speaking of the comments for that post, there are a couple of comments there that I never saw — and a couple of missing ones too… Arg!)

But, that’s all beside the point.

My new plea is very different and, in my opinion, pretty crucial.

iPod Click WheelIn , it is very easy to create playlists for all variety of listening tastes. Another feature that iTunes provides is the ability to create Smart Playlists.

Smart Playlists are similar to regular playlists — they contain songs that a user chooses — but they allow the user to add a layer of logic to how the songs are chosen. For example, if I wanted iTunes to automatically include every song with a specific name, or by a particular artist, or from a certain date to a playlist without having to search out every one of those songs, I could create a Smart Playlist and set up a rule (or rules) that will automatically do that for me. Personally, I have a number of Smart Playlists that do a number of different things for me.

Here is where the major issue arises. There is a cool little feature that iTunes and possess: Party Shuffle. Basically, Party Shuffle randomizes every audio file contained on an iPod. This is, in essence, just like the “Shuffle” button on any CD player. But, in Party Shuffle exists the fatal flaw (and something I’ve already mentioned): it plays every audio file contained on an iPod.

My iPod contains much more than just music. I’m (slowly) trying to learn how to speak Japanese for example. My Japanese lessons are spread out over about a hundred audio files, all ranging from five to fifteen minutes long. I transfer a bunch of my favorite over to my regular playlists so that when I update my Podcast feeds, I don’t loose certain ones that I’d like to save. These can be anywhere from ten minutes to an hour and a half long.

So, when I’m out listening to music on my iPod, sometimes I like to have it select songs at random — i.e., I press Play on Party Shuffle. But, knowing the way that Party Shuffle works, I’ll bet you can guess what comes next… Right in the middle of getting my groove on (as it were), up pops a ten minute Japanese lesson.

Not what I wanted to hear.

My idea for getting around this dilemma was simple: I’d create a Smart Playlist that contained all of my music files and none of my spoken word files… In fact, I went one step further and added a rule that didn’t include any songs over six minutes long (sometimes, I’m just not in the mood for a twenty-minute jam to come on, if you know what I mean). But, knowing that I’d never want to start listening to the thousands of songs on my iPod at the same song every time, I figured that I’d just make my Smart Playlist choose songs at random — there is a “Selected by Random” feature in the Smart Playlist edit window afterall.

But, no… It’s not that simple.

It turns out that the “Selected by Random” feature in the Smart Playlist edit window only means that iTunes will randomly select the songs that are chosen for the Smart Playlist the first time the playlist is created. From there on out, unless one changes the settings on their Smart Playlist to have the playlist created again, the playlikst will always contain the same songs in the same order that the playlist was created.

Come on! That’s not very smart now is it?

The bottom line is this: Smart Playlists are very cool. They take a lot of work out of searching for specific songs and help in creating some pretty cool playlists. But, without the option to randomize thse Smart Playlists, I almost feel like the option of creating the playlists is completely useless. Why is Party Suffle the only way to randomize the music contained in iTunes or on my iPod? Shouldn’t there be another way?

And, to let you know, I’ve searched without end in finding a solution to this. Even my Mac Genius friend said he didn’t know of a way to do this.

So, please , give us a way to randomize our Smart Playlists.

Posted at 09:38 am

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Comments (14):
Yes, I concur completely. I don’t understand why that isn’t possible. Maybe it is a licencing thing? Another thing is the very short but noticable pause between tracks. It should be able to read ahead, so we don’t get the gap.

Halans () - July 07, 2006 at 10:18 pm

For what it’s worth, I’ve been frustrated by the same problem and came up with the following solution: the Grouping field. I tagged all my non-music files as “spoken word” and then created a Smart Playlist called “Mostly Random” that filters out any file with “spoken word” in the Grouping field. Then just hit shuffle and go to work.

Leif () (URL) - July 08, 2006 at 12:49 am

Halans ~ Thanks for commenting. I don’t personally get the gap between songs, though… Could this be a CPU thing? Or a Preferences setting? I’ll listen today and see if I hear any gaps.

Leif ~ What do you mean by “hit shuffle”? Is there a button I’m missing? What kind of iPod are you using?

timsamoff () (URL) - July 08, 2006 at 11:09 am

No, I guess what I meant by “hit shuffle” is:

- go to Settings, set Shuffle to Songs – go to Mostly Random playlist, start playing any song

Not quite as smooth as it could be, but it does get the job done.

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Scissor () (URL) - July 09, 2006 at 12:16 pm

Leif ~ Thanks for clarifying that. Yeah, your suggestion works, but it sure isn’t very elegant — which, of course, is Apple’s fault, not yours!

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timsamoff () (URL) - July 10, 2006 at 06:26 am

The last few versions of iTunes have had a track-by-track setting that allows you to skip a track during shuffle (right-click [command-click for you Mac folks?] any song, choose “Get Info,” click the “Options” tab, check the “Skip when shuffling” checkbox, click the “OK” button). What sucks is, you can’t apply it to more than one track at a time. The same tab has the handy, and fairly new, “Remember playback position” option that you’ll want to use on your language lessons (though it, too, must be applied track-by-track).

My older solution for this has been to avoid party shuffle and create a playlist called “.no speech and no iTrip.” All of my iTrip stations are in a genre called “iTrip” and all of my spoken word stuff and language lessons are in a genre called “speech.” So I just exclude these by genre in the smart playlist and then use the “shuffle by song” setting in the iPod preferences to create a semi-random shuffle of all the music files on my iPod.

wheat (URL) - July 10, 2006 at 1:02 pm

I was just thinking about you, Wheat! ;-)

Thanks for the info… I don’t think I ever knew about the “Skip when shuffling” option!

As for the ““shuffle by song” setting in the iPod preferences” part… So, does this make every playlist “random”? I don’t know if I’ve ever set this setting.

timsamoff () (URL) - July 10, 2006 at 1:13 pm

Man I totaly understand you IPOD pleas. I have a few complaints myself and I just got the dang thing. Oh well you gotta love it for what it does do.

Randy () (URL) - July 10, 2006 at 1:21 pm

I just read about your issues, Randy — I completely agree. I guess you’re right about loving the iPod, but there are some usability problems that would have been so easy to circumvent!

timsamoff () (URL) - July 10, 2006 at 1:27 pm

Yeah, the iPod’s “shuffle by song” setting is global, so it will affect all playlists. It will also shuffle by song when you’re playing by genre or even playing a single album. I really wish there were a playlist setting for this instead of just a global setting, as I’d like some playlists to play in order and most to shuffle by song. But, since that’s not the case, I leave my iPod on “shuffle by song” almost all the time.

wheat (URL) - July 10, 2006 at 2:02 pm

Thans, Wheat… That sounds like a pretty good alternative — turing “Shuffle” on and off isn’t actually that annoying to have to do when I want to hear my songs shuffled.

timsamoff () (URL) - July 11, 2006 at 10:49 am

My solution to this problem (wanting an always random playlist of just music, not podcasts, audiobooks and random other audio bits) involved a rather long and complicated system of interconnecting “smart playlists”, based on the rating of a song (zero rated songs are not considered music…). That way I could customize the random playlist to an infite degree with different playlists feeding into one another. For example, a 3 star rated song will be filtered out for 2 months after being played, whereas a 5 star rated song will come back in 3 days… Just set this playlist to random in iTunes and it’s set, you can even set time or size limit if you are using an iPod suffle or something less than a real iPod.

pie lawns for all - August 05, 2006 at 1:09 pm

Thanks… Yeah, yours is a solution I ran across a lot on Google. And, even though it sort of “works” (though, it’s not legitimately random), it’s way too complicated for something as simple as the iPod touts itself to be.

timsamoff () (URL) - August 05, 2006 at 2:18 pm

  
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