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January 24, 2008

A gift to me (can be) a gift to you...

Yesterday, you might remember me mentioning that was sending me a gift for helping them do some testing. Actually, it wasn’t Nokia, per se, but a friend, one of the fine people on the development team, . Anyway, I was thinking that the gift would be a T-shirt or something — you know, just a small gesture of thanks.

Oh, how I was wrong…

Mine. Mine. Yours?Last night, I was completely taken by surprise when a package from Nokia arrived at my front door. When I opened it, I was even more surprised to find that this “gift” I was told about was, in fact, another !

What?!

I mean, I was glad to help test, and it’s nice to get gifts, but this (in my opinion) is way too generous… Even for a big company like Nokia!

So, after thinking about what I could do with two s (which, honestly, I couldn’t really think of anything, especially since I also have an ), I decided that I should donate it to a deserving software developer. But, I need your (fellow Internet Tablet and maemo enthusiasts) to help me figure out who this deserving recipient is…

It doesn’t necessarily have to be someone who is part of the maemo community, but it should be someone who wants to develop — or someone who would take an interest in developing — for the community. Likewise, I would rather it be someone who could develop something that is not currently available for maemo in some way, shape, or form (yes, this is a tricky aspect, but I can think of a few things), but that’s not entirely necessary. Lastly, whomever this person is, as “payment,” should be able to provide some sort of road map for how their development would proceed. I don’t mean that I need a complete run-down of every aspect of the intended application(s), but I would like to know that I’m not just giving the Tablet to someone who only has good intentions but may never follow through.

Oh, and there’s one more caveat. I am the benevolent dictator in this “contest.” This isn’t a democracy. If I think that the person/project is worthy, then I will decide.

So, let me know who you think this noble soul should be. Also, if you’d like to submit your ideas for possible applications — either currently in existence (for , , or whatever) or not — please include links if the application does exist somewhere.

Post your ideas here and not on the forum.

Update: Jake Kunnari & (of maemo development fame) have offered to help me judge this “contest.” In talking with a few other people, I’ve decided to keep my mind open for a few days (at least), so please keep the ideas rolling in!

Update #2: There have been so many great submissions here that I’ve decided the deadline for this “contest” will be Wednesday, January 30. I will close the comments at COB CST. This will give us a few days and a weekend to decide on a winner… Meaning that the announcement will be made, Monday, February 4. So get your ideas in!

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Comments (52):
My suggestion is Drew Haninger with Olive Tree and below is the reason why. Let me know you have any other questions about this or anything else.

I have been in contact with Drew Haninger with Olive Tree. Asking him, his company, if they have any plans for their Bible Reader to ported to the Nokia N8xx series. He said they had talked about it but have not come to a conclusion if they are going to or not.I will probably email him in the next few weeks just to see if there is any change progress on this.

I Use Rapier on my N800 regularly in Sunday School, Church, prayer meetings etc… But I also like having options and I like and I use Olive Tree’s Bible Reader quite a bit also. Again this is just my suggestion/opinion.

dan67sf () - January 24, 2008 at 10:33 am

I don’t know enough about the community to make a suggested person, and most deserving folks either have one or likely got the discount for one.

I say bring it to PyCon in Chicago in March and add it to a raffle or give it away at a Birds of Feather (if there is one). OR, Send it to the conference organizer David Goodger and he can also follow through on that.

DeanG - January 24, 2008 at 10:35 am

Right, this will sound wrong, but here goes nothing.

Would you give it to me?

I’ve recently purchased a 770 and I’m in love with it. Seriously, my wife is constantly nagging me (even though she gave me the 770 for x-mas) for not paying attention to her anymore.

In any case, me not paying attention to the wife is not a good reason for why I should get the N810. And I’m not saying that I should but that I’d love to.

So, my personal project for the ITs is a desktop. Yes, sounds ambitious. Yes it’s a big job for a single person. Yes I’m mad. But that’s my plan. I guess that if I do some work and if what I do is good, people will follow.

I don’t have a full roadmap yet, but will have it very soon. Roughly, my plan is to try to reuse maemo’s components as much as possible and write on top of it some lightweight desklets (applets, etc.) engine. My plan is to use python and EFL (there are some impressive examples of Python+EFL on youtube) since functionality is a must but also eye candy comes always handy (whoa, it rhymes and all!)

So, if you think I’m worthy of the oh-so-desired tablet, which I hope you do, just let me know and I will always be grateful!

U

Ulises (URL) - January 24, 2008 at 11:49 am

I’m going to suggest the author of Rainlendar (see: http://www.rainlendar.net ) Many many peeps on Maemo have been after a “PIM” of sorts – Rainlendar would be great as a tiny transparent Desktop App – with options for an iCal synchronised Calendar, Clock, To-Do list, etc it’d be just what we are after.

If you put your TnC’s of donation to him then I’m 80% sure he’d be willing to develop it for Maemo [he already has a Linux version available.]

Yasin Abbas - January 24, 2008 at 11:51 am

My vote is for the people who have brough HanDshopper to the palm (and the Windows mobile, i think). This is an amazing organizational app for handheld devices. Or, generally, for developers of similar PIM tools native for the maemo platform.

Kevin () (URL) - January 24, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Hey, everyone… Thanks so far. This is giving me a lot to think about!]

Concerning PIMs… Well, yes, the ITs need one that is really good and really well-integrated into the Tablet framework. We all know that. But, can anyone think about how we would improve on the current PIM-of-choice for maemo (Graham Cobb’s port of GPE). I can. And, I’d personally like to see that development continue rather than throw another PIM into the mix. (Of course, this may just be my opinion.)

I’d like to see, say, a Claws-Mail plugin that utilizes the maemo Contacts app. Or, how about a desktop (Mac, Windows, Linux) app that syncs the ITs to a computer? Something that’s missing. Something integral.

Keep those suggestions coming!

timsamoff () (URL) - January 24, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Hi Tim,
I am working (all day, every day) with another guy to create a fast, 3D (sdl-openGL based) iPod-like interface for the N800. The system can map to data in a file or from a web-server so that objects in the space can be contacts, photos, friends-from-mySpace, emails; anything you can make a map to (which is just about everything!) Maps are fairly easy to make and share. By making layers of maps we will be able to have a distributed data-store. The software will also work on Windows, Debian/Fedora/etc, and later Mac, so you can access your distributed stuff from any machine. Later I will add a phone version. The first version (which is for N8×0 only) is just a month or so away. I’m sure it will work on the n810 anyhow, but I would love to be able to test it and I would love to have an N810. You can see more details at http://www.cs.vu.nl/CMSGA/slides/long.pp.. .

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce Long () (URL) - January 24, 2008 at 2:11 pm

Give it to Thoughtfix. Because.

blackdog - January 24, 2008 at 3:45 pm

I think that I would make a great candidate for this product.

My implementations on the maemo platform will include porting already existing libraries for telephony (Sip/Iax/Possibly h323).

Second, I would write a basic audio driver for audio->application handling, much easier than hooking directly into alsa-lib itself.

The main goal of this is to mimic the project I am currently working on, which is a full featured IAX2 Soft Phone for the openmoko platform.

I currently am developing this over at openmoko on a specific project called ‘mokoiax’ and also ‘porting asterisk to the openmoko platform’.

I would be very interested in this hardware, as the people at openmoko have also donated hardware to me, and got me sparked on developing this client.

The client for openmoko will be the full featured GTK2+ IAX2 soft client, along with a tie into the dialer application itself (instead of dialing out through my tMobile gsm connection, I can dial over wifi, or GPRS and never call a minute of the service provider)

There is no doubt that asterisk and IAX2 is getting big and implemented, but I also plan to do the same for a SIP client also.

Having these two things would put the hardware and platform itself into HUGE marketplace of VoIP and wireless handsets. This would be huge exposure for the community, and anyone looking to expand the already amazing capabilities of the maemo platform.

I have already rambled on enough, feel free to email me about anything. Hope to get you, to help me, help others :)

Thanks!

-bkruse

Brandon Kruse () - January 24, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Second vote for ThoughtFix

Craig Stanton (URL) - January 24, 2008 at 4:52 pm

I see that Collin R. Mulliner http://www.mulliner.org/ doesn’t have an N810 yet…
So I’ll toss my vote to him.

Thanks,
C.

Cary - January 24, 2008 at 7:36 pm

It may be generous for Nokia to give you a N810 but it’s much more generous of you to give away the N810.

A N810 could help me in the development I’ve been doing. In the last several months, I’ve been working on the powerlaunch project. It is now a reasonable replacement for the closed source mce and systemui, at least on the N800. I’ve heard it doesn’t work on the N810, but for me to get it to work, I’d need the actual device as it is low-level code and hardware dependent. My roadmap includes creating open source versions of other similar closed-source components, in particular, dsme and bme.

These development efforts may not be strictly on areas that cannot be currently done on the platform (in fact, I’m trying to emulate the default system as closely as possible), but rather on making the platform more open. It’s up to you to decide whether that has merit.

I did get a developer discount code (for the US). But after placing an order, it was inexplicably cancelled by letstalk.com and I’m no longer able to order using the original code. Assuming I’m able to get a replacement code, I’d be happy to give you the code for your N810, so that you’d also be able to choose another deserving person to have a deeply discounted N810.

Austin - January 24, 2008 at 10:15 pm

Give it to whoever ports the Pipemania game to OS2008.

Werre - January 25, 2008 at 12:20 am

I vote for Collin Mulliner.

Mike - January 25, 2008 at 01:45 am

Hi, my pet project is an improvement of the OS2008 system UI with an emphasis on usability and consistency. Preferably working closely with Nokia in the hope it may be included in the future official releases. OS2008 already looks a lot better than OS2007, still I believe the stock system UI can be improved. I am putting together some notes and UI mock-ups for possible improvements. From there I plan write up a system UI redesign proposal. The project is not a rewrite of the closed source system UI, instead I plan to leverage the system UI plug-in architecture to substitute, for instance, the "device mode" menu invoked by the power button. The replacement would have iconic representation of the modes and be thumb friendly. The goal is to provide a simple, clean interface, that is functional when used in any of the following interaction styles: fingertips, stylus, d-pad and hardware buttons, N810 keyboard and external BT keyboard (of course trade offs will be necessary). Application launcher menu, device mode menu, application switcher and control panel are some of the UI components I plan to improve. Having an N810 would be helpful for getting a feel of what is best for an N810 user and for testing prototype UI.

Delio () - January 25, 2008 at 02:07 am

“If you put your TnC’s of donation to him then I’m 80% sure he’d be willing to develop it for Maemo [he already has a Linux version available.]”

Yes and it would already be done if only is Rainlendar Application is open source.But it s not. :(

ps : thx for your comment on pygtkeditor
pps : nice blog theme :)

Khertan () (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 04:45 am

Third vote for Thoughtfix. He’s really supporting the community a lot by his blog. He certainly deserves one.

MeteorOnEarth - January 25, 2008 at 05:18 am

I’m not sure if either one has an N810 already, but I’d like to suggest Tuomas Kulve and Simon Pickering, for the amazing codec and DSP work they’re doing on the tablets.

Lucas - January 25, 2008 at 05:58 am

Hello,
I almost can’t believe that you’re given away an N810. That’s really nice! Now my vote goes to a personal friend/colleague, called P. De Mil who is doing his Phd in wireless sensor networking. Since years, he’s passionate about the Zigbee standard and since I received my N810 some weeks ago, there’s finally a second passion in his life (technologically-wise of cors). As we have an N800 at work, he’s now trying to get a Zigbee-MiniSD card to work on a N800. I’m quite sure that when he would have a device of his own, it would definitely help him a lot. I know it’s quite a special contribution, it’s not immediately something that will help the commununity in the short term, but I believe that extending the IT-series’ communication interfaces, will definitely benefit the commununity in the long term. (I know I could also give him my N810 to play with but I just love my tablet way to much!)
Kind Regards

PhilipX - January 25, 2008 at 07:27 am

Hey Tim;
Great idea to give away your gifted tablet. My first thought for gifting this would be to any of the mobile software developers (Laridian, OliveTree, Bible+, Rapier) to encourage them to make a solid contribution in that area. Preference would be to the Bible+ developer (only because he’d probably make it a nice reader which can read .pdb files.

Thoughtfix is one that I’d also throw in there as a solid person to be given the N810.

If there’s a date on this as to when you will be making a decsion, can you note that. I’d like to post this on MMM this weekend and that info might help things along for you.

Blessings.

Antoine of MMM/Brighthand () (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 07:37 am

I would highly recommend giving one to Gábor Kovács, also known as picard. He was the primary developer of the free media player TCPMP (http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/)and the commercial version CorePlayer (http://coreplayer.com/). This media player plays any and everything, with resizing options on-the-fly! Picard was nice enough to develop an enhanced version for the Tapwave Zodiac (palm-based) after some community people donated him a Zodiac (http://www.tapland.com/news_arc/?id=639). We desperately need this for the N810 and N800. If you’ve ever used TCPMP or CorePlayer you now how great something like this would be on the Nokia tablets.

Pushwall - January 25, 2008 at 07:41 am

Hi:

First let me say you’re one helluva guy to share your toys this way. Now for my pitch.

I have four children. My two youngest are boys. The older one has Aspbergers and the youngest is slightly autistic. For several years I’ve been messing with some basic learning concepts to help give them a better chance.

I’ve integrated some of these learnings into a book I published last year on helping children learn to sculpt.

Today my focus is using some research taken from The Reading Teachers Book of Lists and integrating it with computer speech. The premise is that the first 300 words of the English language represent 80% of all written material. If a child (or someone learning English as a second language) acquires these first 300 they are very close to being literate.

I’ve made some progress making a c# .net application. In fact the tool works if you want to acquire vocabulary in a foreign language.

But the .NET application is tied to a desktop and isn’t portable. That’s where the tablet comes in. I’ve used flite to emulate some of the behaviors, but having an internet tablet would help my progress a great deal.

For the record I have no intention of profiting from this work and intend to release it to the public. I’ve partnered with a fraternal organization that does literacy work to help me spread the word when it’s ready.

Robin Edward Trudel () - January 25, 2008 at 08:06 am

My vote’s with Robin’s idea. I think the idea of assisting with literacy is a beautiful way to use this gift.

Andrea Berman () - January 25, 2008 at 08:13 am

Hello Tim,
I’m Angelo Perrone and write to you from Italy.I’m 18 years old and I’m a student.I Have always interested in developer and Hardware of Pc and Mobile Phones,but I haven’t the possibilities and machine for development.
I have an interest for the multimedia area and I would to do some program like Canola,UKMP or MPlayer.
In these years I have registered to many forums in Italy with the nickname of NOKIOTTOLO89 and I always give help and good advices to the Community!
But from the presentation of nokia 770 I always been charm of this Linux world that is fantastic because is open source and stable!
But for my age and for the problems of my family and taxes that we must pay every month i haven’t the money to buy a machine as N810 or N800 that are much expensive and in Italy cost 399 and 459 €!!!
Then I would have this internet tablet for development and study!thanks for the interest!For replies contact me by my e-mail

Great regards,angelo from Trepuzzi(LECCE),Italy!

[nokiottolo89] () - January 25, 2008 at 08:27 am

There are some great ideas coming in… Thank you!

But, please… If you come here just to add a vote or skim the comments, well, that’s fine, but it’s not really how I’m making my considerations. Feel free to add your enthusiasm for one of the people who have commented, but I am not basing my decisions on votes. So, please… Try not to convolute the comments with votes, unless you have something meaningful to add in addition to the comments that have already been made (e.g., Andrea’s comment about Robin’s idea).

Lastly… About ThoughtFix. Yes, he’s a great supporter of the ITs and maemo, but (1) he’s not an applications developer, and (2) have you seen the amount of electronic gear that he has?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVemmhhFb..

And that’s just a sampling! So… Daniel, I’m sorry, but I’m looking for someone who could really use the Tablet.

timsamoff () (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 08:47 am

Hi Tim. I think its great that you are donating your N810 back into the community. You’re a real big person for doing so. In Thoughtfix’s recent interview with Nokia, the idea of a Windows client to manage bookmarks, settings, PIM, file transfer, etc for the tablets was discussed. It seems it is something that Nokia is looking at. I would like to see an application like this that is community driven, open-source and cross-platform. Although most of this functionality can be had presently using separate apps, a standalone app that brought all this together would be appealing to many novices, existing Palm users, etc. If someone would take this on, I am sure it would be useful to many. So, my vote would go to any software developer who would take the challenge on, and bring us this type of application.

Sanjeev - January 25, 2008 at 08:51 am

Daniel Siegel of gnome’s “Cheese” project needs an N810.

Cheese is a powerful video and photo capture program that would definitely be a boon to the internet tablets, if it were ported.

Will Page () - January 25, 2008 at 08:56 am

Hi Tim,
Very generous of you.
Since quite a few think the tablet desparately needs some video recording capability, I vote for Daniel Siegel. He created Cheese during the Google Summer of Code, is passionate about it, likely is a starving student and giving him a tablet might induce him to port Cheese to maemo.

http://www.gnome.org/projects/cheese/
http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel/

/Mike () - January 25, 2008 at 09:03 am

Pamela Jones (PJ) at GrokLaw.net – she is annoyed at Nokia over their opposition to Theora for a base video codec in the HTML5 spec, but she loves linux and the opensource community and probably doesn’t know about this side of Nokia. She loved the OLPC-XO, and I think she would love the n810 even more and would give it a nice review.

I’d also vote for Thoughtfix.

And I’ll throw my hat into the ring. I’ve done my own bible reader for the Palm (Concorde), and would be willing to restart it and adapt it – it was and is all GPL. I also have a US Census Map GPS system which I had on the Zaurus (like RoadMap, but with real lakes and cities, and kismet annotation). I’ve already gotten wispy working and Kismet might come soon. I already mounted my mac formatted iPod. I already have an n810, but I use it so much I don’t want to play with the kernel and disable it for any length of time, so a second would really help.

tz () - January 25, 2008 at 09:31 am

I second the Cheese developer nomination. (That’s all I can do, since we don’t get to vote, right?)

What would be really great would be the ability to stream the webcam feed to the net, so you could store your video directly on a server somewhere instead of on your Internet Tablet. If Cheese doesn’t get to that, it is a step in the right direction.

Roger

PS: It’s the walkaround cam capabilities that would make it impossible for me to duplicate your act of generosity — the extra N810 would go to kids or wife to enable the incipient cam calling. So I’m immediately disqualified for being considered too! (And anyway, I learned just a bit ago that my order has finally been accepted and shipped, so I’ll be a N810-have and not an N810-havenot next week.)

Roger Sperberg (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 10:01 am

I think using the machine to develop and write bible software is fundamentally wrong. Bad suggestion.

I also think the reason the GPE stuff is not popular is because noone likes it. I get the impression people are sitting around waiting for a better PIM to come along…

Anonymous - January 25, 2008 at 10:10 am

Idea
In those situations where you’ve seriously misplaced your favorite Internet Tablet or someone’s stolen your precious device, you’d really wish you had some way of tracking your n810. What if you had a program which used the internal GPS as a tracking device, uploading its location to a server each time it connected onto a new access point or at a preset interval?

The project would be in two parts, the app on the n810 and the web service. The safest bet would be the program ran at startup and waited for a connection to be made. Once the n810 became online accessible, the program would ask the server for its (the n810 program) configuration. If the owner of the n810 has turned on tracking, the program will return the n810’s coordinates to the best of its ability. Otherwise, the program returns nothing and that’s that. Additional features could be implemented, for example, reporting the n810’s IP address or even telling the program to display a message on the n810.

The website would have to provide a secure user interface and it would basically be a control panel giving users the option to turn the tracking on or off.

The app on the n810 would definitely be open source, probably written in Python. I’m not sure how wise it would be to open source the web interface.

"Roadmap"
1. Getting GPS coordinates from the GPS
2. Get the program to talk with the server
3. Implement a "secure user interface"
4. Stir well until a finished product emerges

Issues

- I’m a (undeclared CompSci) University student, so I can’t focus all my attention and being onto this project.

- Any idea of tracking every day, ordinary, innocent-until-proven-guilty people sounds "Big Brother"

Other ideas using GPS (for fun)

- A game designed around use of GPS (Simple MMO? ARG?)

- Custom Google Map marking cool stuff users find (Sales? Bands playing at a specific location at x o’clock? Maybe some real-time maps marking locations of users so they can meet up?)

- Calculating make-out spots based on birthdays… Wait, that wouldn’t work with this application of GPS :p

Zetx () - January 25, 2008 at 10:27 am

Is this the place where we can post our propositions to change the world (of Internet Tablets)? Alright, here we go!

The killer app I’m craving for on a mobile device is a great mindmapping program. By ‘great’, I also mean superior (in terms of user experience) to the existing solutions (Freemind, Mind42, etc). I find them rigid, static, inflexible: inorganic. I think that really pleasant mobile devices should not feel like computers crammed into a small space; they should feel like a powerful tool that bends to your needs and wishes.

Many people still rely on pen and paper because it’s more dynamic and gives you more freedom than if you had to input the information digitally: sketches, notes, quick diagrams, mindmaps (at least in my case), they all rely on the absence of constraint of paper and greatly benefits from its inherent visual and spacial features. It’s easy to circle around, underline, link visually or put something in a corner. To map free ideas and thoughts, especially in a mobile environment, I think the user should be given a lot of freedom and power in how he writes down information.

On the other hand, computers are great at treating (search, classify) and rearranging data. They can store data in semantical models, even if those are defined by the user as they go. They also can provide multiple interfaces, and allow people to share stuff painlessly. That’s where a mindmapping application could improve on its paper counterpart.

I’ve been dreaming of this for years now. I used to have a Sharp Zaurus that I wanted to implement that on, but I lacked experience, a good graphical API and maybe a convenient (ideally high-level) language to write that in. I think all these problems are solved by now (both on the N810 and in my head). I planned to buy an N810 anyway, but I am waiting for either the price to go down, or my bank account to refill sufficiently. :-)

This being a dream, it’s also, by definition, very if not too ambitious. The ideal feature-complete version I have in mind would support multiple interfaces (e.g. native, web, text-based), rich graphical interfaces with zoom, customizable interactions and customizable semantics (e.g. define different models to map different kind of data), revision-control, sharing support (with branching and merging using SCM features). Obviously, this will not happen overnight.

Therefore my dev plan would initially focus on a simpler but functional version of a graphical mindmapping interface. I think Canola2 has proved that Evas/Edje is a very attractive library for graphical applications on N8xx. My preference for such projects would go towards dynamic languages such as Python or, if available, Ruby. The roadmap would go something like:

  • Get familiar with the N8xx development platform (SDK, libs, standard app development)

  • Get familiar with Evas/Edje (unless another library looks more attractive)

  • Start coding sample graphical programs in python/ruby/?

  • Design the basic architecture of the mindmapping app

  • Prototype the basic features in code, add features incrementally

  • Release an initial dumb version with hardcoded settings (later customizable) of visual style, information semantics, etc.



  • Keep improving and adding features.


(+ Blog along regularly.)

I don’t want to attach milestones I won’t respect to the roadmap.. but realistically I wouldn’t expect to have something, even simple, that I’d like to use in less than 3-4 months.

And to be clear, I plan to realize this project in any case, it’s just a question of what hardware is available to me and what pressure I or others put onto myself :-)

Alright, thanks for the generosity of your offer in any case, I enjoyed having to put my thoughts into a serialized form and hope that whoever gets the tablet will do its best to realize something great and fun and useful!

cheers!

theefer () (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 10:32 am

I want to build a Hildon frontend for Hamachi. It would basically mimic windows hamachi including installer, and a desktop applet.

missaghi () (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 11:22 am

The most worthy person to win is … arnim sauerbier
Just look at http://pupnik.de/software.html
He has kept many of us happy for a long time. Yes its not PIM or some other pruductivity software he develops, but games are a valid use of ITs and a very common use. Think about all the programs that will eventually come to the N810s anyway (because of demand) and then think about all the entertainment software that will never come unless someone like him has an N810. Him winning will result in a lot of new programs coming to N810 and future generations.

"nosam" mason oneal - January 25, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Why aren’t you giving away your N800 and keeping the second N810?
Does the keyboard and GPS really matter to a developer?

Hey folks, enough with the voting and submitting folks who ALREADY have N8×0’s.

/hope this turns off my email notification. This open forum is quite depressing.

DeanG - January 25, 2008 at 2:10 pm

I am to poor to buy a n770 let alone a n810 But i think you should give a coder the n810 (Someone who can make emulators and cool apps) so when i finally get a n800 it will have cool stuff for it :-)

Cas - January 25, 2008 at 2:50 pm

How about this guy?

http://nakkiboso.com/knots/

Jin (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 4:11 pm

I’m not sure if this is allowed, but I would like to vote for myself.

I’m toying around with development of a tablet pc notetaking application. I want to take my early code/ideas from this and instead form it around a N800/N810 contact manager (sort of PIM-ish) combined with notes that are easily syncable. I do have a Lenovo X61t (touchscreen + tablet) which I’ve been working on so far, but I would love to bring my ideas to the internet tablets. I’m using akonandi at the moment (yes, it’s KDE4, but I’m very interested in the ‘pillars’ and I’m already at work porting kde4 to os2008) to provide the backend. Some of the sketches that I’ve done are of a fluid interface that centers around zooming in and out to see details and navigating with touch.

Thanks for the consideration!

[astromme] (URL) - January 25, 2008 at 5:12 pm

I tend to think about practical things. What about someone willing to make a good checkbook program that can export csv or qif to work alone or with desktop programs.

Kady - January 26, 2008 at 12:57 am

Hi Tim,

I would vote for anyone who would port lyx to maemo (or failing that spheres of chaos , which I got running in the x86 part of the dev kit). It the best word processor in my humble opinion.

Richard

Richard McIntosh () (URL) - January 26, 2008 at 10:03 am

keep all of them. I’d rather die then get one those worthless pieces of junk for free. Just looking at them hurts me. Tell Nokia to shove those up their a*s because clearly they don’t know how to make a good linux os to complement their crappy hardware. I’d rather shove a old 486 down my pants and tie it up to my leg with a good linux distribution. Don’t force your crap on others, don’t even bother giving it to good will. You suck!

yousuck - January 27, 2008 at 01:15 am

The developer of your weblogtool of choice could really use it, to make sure the next version of PivotX works flawlessly on it. ;-)

Bob () - January 27, 2008 at 02:42 am

..and on a slightly less selfish note: I think it’s really awesome and generous that you’re giving it away, just like that.. Kudos!

A lesser man would’ve sold it for a nice chunk of change on ebay.

Bob () - January 27, 2008 at 02:45 am

simply put, give me the nokia or else i’m going to the apple ipod touch. even though i’m a linux hackin’ kind of guy and i know the n810 has much more to offer in most every category that is important to me, i’m about to give in to the touch because it looks so cool. and also the fact that it’s a lot cheaper and i’m an irrationally compulsive tightwad (hey, i’m looking to get something now and it’s not going on sale anytime soon).

putting it bluntly, you alone have the power to save my mobile device future because i suspect that once i submit to the apple urge, there will be no going back. and who knows what the personal computing ramifications that might have for me? think carefully about your decision because if you don’t choose me you bear the full and complete responsibility for the direction i will unfortunately be forced to take. the future depends on you. cheers!

robert - January 27, 2008 at 10:43 am

Hi Tim. Great idea. I see some really amazing comments here. First person who came to mind for me was “Penguinbait” for his work of KDE/Office Suite and his positive attitude helping to make it more accessible for the non ‘power users’. That said I then saw the comments about the guy who co-developed TCPMP. Here: “I would highly recommend giving one to Gábor Kovács, also known as picard. He was the primary developer of the free media player TCPMP (http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/)and the commercial version CorePlayer (http://coreplayer.com/). This media player plays any and everything, with resizing options on-the-fly! Picard was nice enough to develop an enhanced version for the Tapwave Zodiac (palm-based) after some community people donated him a Zodiac (http://www.tapland.com/news_arc/?id=639). We desperately need this for the N810 and N800. If you’ve ever used TCPMP or CorePlayer you now how great something like this would be on the Nokia tablets.
» Comment by Pushwall , on January 25, 2008 at 07:41 am “

I use TCPMP on my Treo650 and it is darn near bomb proof and runs everything(i think?). So I pause to consider this fellow as a great possible choice and I also see him as a good element of the Palm migration potential to the Nxxx community. This was really shown potential with the PalmVm release. (bugs and all) it might be the way to help draw their community to a new one in time as the Palm OS fades away.

I’d also like to see someone do something along the lines of a ‘mindmapper’ but really Tim what are the possibilities of something like “QUICKSILVER’ for our Nxxx Tablets? Hmmm? Its free in the Apple domain. I’m not knowledged on whether it could be ported or a variant of it, but something like that would be awesome. I know, much of it is keyboard triggered, but I like the idea of different navigation concepts and different means to organize.

Good Luck, with your decision!!

iontruo2 () - January 28, 2008 at 07:03 am

Give it back to Nokia so they can have at least one to send their online shop at Spain and the developers can buy one ;-) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums..

mones (URL) - January 28, 2008 at 12:13 pm

Introduction:
Hi,
I was recently introduced to the fantastic world of Internet Tablets. I got one for myself this Christmas, kind of a late comer to the party. Everyone is well aware of the features around the tablets and I thought it to be a wonderful platform for security. Thats where my idea stems

Idea:
I though to get my thoughts in for the contest. My idea consist of developing a tablet for penetration testing. The idea will be to provide a single stop image for use with Internet Tablets to provide the required tools for Penetration Testing (like Backtrack DVDs) rather than an automated cracking platform (like Canvas). It will be like a ready-to-go platform. I guess such a platform will provide and satisfy for such a portable device.

Why I would work on this project:
Though I do often find some projects that have been cross compiled to work on the tablets. One has to jump through a lot of hoops to find the right binaries and dependencies to get stuff working on the tablets. Still there is lot left to be desired. There are hosts of famous and not so famous tools around that form a part of the (penetration) testing framework that are yet to form a part of the platform. There is also no single place to find such distributions.

My approach:
Some tools require a simple approach like copying the scripts on the tablet with required libraries while some may require some sort of recompile. I am aware that quite a few of them have already been ported (metasploit, scapy.py, Kismet etc).

Target Users:
Security Professionals and hobbyists.

[IndianJewel] - January 28, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Just a clarification. I could afford only a n800.

[IndianJewel] - January 28, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Well… Here goes… Reason #1 – (Silly Reason) My birthday with the 25th of this month :-D. Reason #2 – I do not currently own any of these units 770, 800 or 810 but think they look absolutely amazing. Of course not having one does put me in somewhat of a bind as to an application for the unit. I have been in the software development business for the last 10 years and have a passion for coding. Without having a unit it’s difficult to say what kind of application could be development due to many unknowns such as speed. Personally one of the applications that would benefit me most would be a program to read in the xml data from DVDProfiler (http://www.dvdprofiler.com) and provide an easy output for my movie collection. If any of this sounds like a reason you could see yourself sending me this unit, I would happily accept it. Thanks for the consideration.

Kelley () - January 28, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Tom,

I would like to receive the Nokia N810, that you’re kindly giving away, to develop and/or integrate software applications in order to turn that device into a personal assistant for blind people.
Although I never developed for Nokia devices yet, I’m a developer with 15 year experience (mostly with C/C++ and Python under Linux environments), so I feel confident that I could meet the goal.

I’m now residing in the USA, but for a long time before that I lived in Argentina where I volunteered with a library for the blind (Biblioteca Argentina para Ciegos, http://www.bac.org.ar). During several years I helped them mostly with networking, Internet access, PC maintenance, braille printers, software installation, etc.). At that time, only some lucky people could afford portable devices (i.e. DECtalk) that allowed them to take notes or write down contact information for instance, and then speak that information when needed, or connect to a PC through serial port. But those devices were very purpose-specific and limited by the hardware available at that time.

I’m convinced that the N8xx devices could open the doors to a new whole world of possibilities, and even more, a world of equality for blind people (and at and affordable price by the way.). As a roadmap for this project I would say that the first approach could be trying to integrate (or port in same case) existing applications to the OS2008 environment. Fortunately, we’ve got ORCA (live.gnome.org/Orca) already provided with GNOME, and since ORCA is written in Python (available for OS2008) and the OS itself provides (although modified) a GNOME environment, the foundation for assistive technologies shouldn’t be difficult to deploy. Besides that, the Festival speech synthesis system has already been developed for embedded machines as Flite (festival-lite): a small, fast run-time synthesis engine (www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite). In this case, perhaps compiling/porting this application should be necessary (Flite is written in C). A key application to "speech enable" is the web browser. It’ll enable a lot of access possibilites for blind people. One example: speech-friendly textual directions already provided by Google Maps combined with current position from the embedded GPS. The only missing software piece may be a virtual keyboard for braille input, specially for the N800 (I don’t expect any problems for blind people using the N810 hardware keyboard). The touch screen coupled with an application displaying big keys on screen (only 9 keys are needed to type braille) should be the ideal input device for this purpose.

I cannot commit a schedule right now, but I think that a 6 month timeframe (since I’ll be working part time in this project, my family also wants to have me sitting at the table during dinners…) could be appropiate to have a working prototype of assistive technologies running in the N810 device you’ll be giving away.

Long time ago, I asked a blind person why he was so interested in being able to surf the Web (Internet was vaguely appearing, and web sites of all kind were sprouting), and his answer shocked me: I want to access the Internet to read the newspapers as you do, to be equally informed as you do. And that means that your gift will have a clear goal in my hands.

Pablo Rogina - January 28, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Everyone: Thank you for your input. This is going to be a tough decision for us!

As of now, 4:15p CST (yeah, that’s COB for me!), comments are now closed and the deciding will begin…

Good luck everyone!

timsamoff () (URL) - January 30, 2008 at 4:13 pm

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